Do you guys have sex exclusively with SPs or mix SPs with "normal" hookups from Tinder / bars / etc.?

apple9927 said: Korea Japan are two countries that in 100 years will have less than half it's population and it's irreversible the decline once it starts. The poorest could on earth however can't stop making babies on the other hand. Click to expand... Oh the rich get richer and the poor get children, in the meantime, in between time, ain't we got fun. In my case, at my age.... SPs only.

When I was a broke student with no job it was fun to spend the time pursuing and chasing women and getting laid after the "hunt". Now, I have a high income and excess cash but no free time. Don't give two shits about the chase or playing games. I just want a discreet hottie who knows how to screw for 30 mins, or an hour, and then I'm out. If I feel like pumping a 25 year old redhead with a tiny rack, or a chubby 45 year old blonde with a big fat butt and DD's, I can find them and book them within minutes. There's a reason you see super wealthy businessmen, athletes, entertainers, politicians, etc., see sex workers, it's because they value their time and discretion, and the cost is what it is because the money runs plentiful.

GeeBeeP said: 100% SP’s and Sugar (mostly sugar in recent times) If I had the opportunity to use the Tinder / bars scene I’d likely go that route as a mix. They have a fun “thrill of the chase” feeling. But I think I’d still use SP’s and SB’s when I’m looking for a sure thing. And as a married guy the discretion of paid sex is much easier and safer. Click to expand... Your post made me realize this forum auto-links Ashley Madison when we type SB Kind of wild after their previous data leak scandals, no?

Gerald778 said: what do you mean by sugar? seeking-arrangements? Click to expand... Seeking and SugerDaddyMeet are two that have been around for almost 20 years now. Secrete Benefits seems popular too - heck if LeoList is pushing it, it must be good! [;)]

I might sound like a moron but for me having casual sex would feel like cheating on my wife... So just SP's... and my wife of course

204fun said: Before I got into seeing SP's I trolled around the Craigslist casual encounters area with varying results, have never jumped into either Tinder or Bumble as I'm not single and there is just too much risk of my profile being noticed by someone. In the time where I was looking for action on CL, I experienced way more stress and fear of being caught or of someone trying to blow up my life. Luckily I stumbled upon Perb and since that point all of my extra-curricular activity is reserved for seeing SP's which is a low stress/high value way for me to blow of steam. One thing I have noticed (keep in mind that I do not have model good looks and am a heavier guy) is that the confidence that I have from having been in this world of seeing SP's has definitely bled into other parts of my life with some interesting results. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, confidence may be one of the biggest factors in trying to make yourself attractive to women. Not confident to the point where you come across as an arrogant asshole, but being open and confident enough to engage in conversations with women and showing genuine interest in who they are will get you way further than any cheesy pickup line or bragging about your accomplishments. Desperation is also pretty transparent regardless of what gender you identify as so if you can enter into situations with women where it isn't overwhelmingly apparent that you are desperately trying to sleep with them it will probably translate into a much better success rate in building relationships that could potentially lead to something. Click to expand... Hmm I find for a lot of men it would do the opposite. Seeing SP's can be bad for your confidence and self esteem as they are paid to be nice to you and talk to you. Kind of like how guys think the waitress is flirting with them when all she wants is a tip. Everyone starts somewhere but I think it's best to enter into this world with a good sense of self first. Society will tell you that by seeing SP's you are likely an ugly loser who has no success with women and who puts women on a pedestal; that you would not get laid without having to pay for it. There's a certain stigma and shame that comes with the territory that a guy would feel when he gets the royal treatment from quality SP's but then goes home alone where he keeps swiping on Tinder only to get turned down by even the grossest women. This eats away at you until you believe you are a worthless loser. I would say the best thing a man can do in this position is to be the best version of himself day after day and get out there and build his confidence with women, in his career or business, at the gym, whatever it takes. There will be a lot of losses and some wins but that's what it takes to build, it's not easy but nothing worthwhile is easy. When that confidence translates into life successes, you realize attractive women are a dime a dozen and a confident successful man is far more rare. A woman's opinion of you won't shake you and you stop putting them on a pedestal because you know your worth. Women from a young age know how to use their charm to manipulate men and they can see a sucker from a mile away. Once you rely on women for validation you're setting yourself up for failure. These girls will say anything to make you feel like king of the castle but then inside can't wait for the session to be over so they can get back to going on their phone, talking to guys they actually want to date, or planning for their next client.

204fun said: Before I got into seeing SP's I trolled around the Craigslist casual encounters area with varying results, have never jumped into either Tinder or Bumble as I'm not single and there is just too much risk of my profile being noticed by someone. In the time where I was looking for action on CL, I experienced way more stress and fear of being caught or of someone trying to blow up my life. Luckily I stumbled upon Perb and since that point all of my extra-curricular activity is reserved for seeing SP's which is a low stress/high value way for me to blow of steam. One thing I have noticed (keep in mind that I do not have model good looks and am a heavier guy) is that the confidence that I have from having been in this world of seeing SP's has definitely bled into other parts of my life with some interesting results. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, confidence may be one of the biggest factors in trying to make yourself attractive to women. Not confident to the point where you come across as an arrogant asshole, but being open and confident enough to engage in conversations with women and showing genuine interest in who they are will get you way further than any cheesy pickup line or bragging about your accomplishments. Desperation is also pretty transparent regardless of what gender you identify as so if you can enter into situations with women where it isn't overwhelmingly apparent that you are desperately trying to sleep with them it will probably translate into a much better success rate in building relationships that could potentially lead to something. Click to expand... Today, is there an alternative to CL or has that been taken over by dating apps?

ChrisBe said: I recently tried Ashley Madison and it worked. I've been a reluctant pooner. Only had 3 escorts experiences to date and I decided to give AM a try. I've found someone discrete, had sex 4 times already, she's cool and we both shared our STI bloodtest results beforehand. This didn't happen quickly and I had 6 other good conversations with other women but they didn't get to the date part. It's a long shot but it can work. And who knows this whole thing could fall apart now that Christmas will make it impossible for us to see each other for about 3 weeks. When this ends, I'll probably see an SP again as I have this suspicious feeling I simply lucked out. Click to expand... I joined AM when I was in my late twenties (I'm in my 40s now). This was 2010. I never got anywhere with it back then. It felt like I put in more time pursuing the soon to be divorcees than I could have just paid to see a sex worker with less time and money. The general behavior of users back then was that they were either cheating or soon to be divorced, though a lot of swinger couples were on there too. It seemed more strings attached such as almost committing to these people rather than hooking up and going from there.

204fun said: One thing I have noticed (keep in mind that I do not have model good looks and am a heavier guy) is that the confidence that I have from having been in this world of seeing SP's has definitely bled into other parts of my life with some interesting results. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, confidence may be one of the biggest factors in trying to make yourself attractive to women. Not confident to the point where you come across as an arrogant asshole, but being open and confident enough to engage in conversations with women and showing genuine interest in who they are will get you way further than any cheesy pickup line or bragging about your accomplishments. Desperation is also pretty transparent regardless of what gender you identify as so if you can enter into situations with women where it isn't overwhelmingly apparent that you are desperately trying to sleep with them it will probably translate into a much better success rate in building relationships that could potentially lead to something. Click to expand... I don't see how seeing an SP would make you more confident. Unless you are lying to yourself and telling yourself these women you are paying are really into you. I can see how the sex with them can make you less needy for sex, which would then be more attractive to women, but that isn't the same thing as confidence. EDIT: It looks like this guy had a pretty mixed up/confused idea of what confidence actually is. Seeing as his response to people replying to him, is to delete his original comments.

Seeing sex workers can definitely make you more confident in your normie life. Every single human being needs touch and intimacy. It’s a human want and need. We absolutely can make you feel good about yourself in a paid for time slot. Which bleeds out into every day life. I’ve seen it happen with my own clients over and over again. I think there’s a few negative Nancie’s here. A little less judging and a bit more snogging is what’s needed here, I think 🤔 😘

At the moment, a mix of FWB and my regulars. It doesn't fit my schedule to go out to meet people often. I do go on "normal" hookups but my but my tolerance for flakey and or flippant behaviour is much lower than when I was younger. It also doesn't seem as fun compared to catching up and having fun with people you already know.

I do a mix , lately I been rotating through SB and FWB In the past when I was busy with full time work and family life , booking a SP was quick and simple and fit my lifestyle Currently there is less burden with work and family life , I have time to vet and chase

I like to keep things simple and stick with providers. It's quick, simple, direct, discreet....and really there is a more clear understanding of the relationship (albeit brief as it is) that there are limits once the deed is done. .... being 50+ myself, and picking up women of similar age at a bar is a different experience than when you do it as a young person. Granted there are women at my age who still value their independence and look for hook ups on the side, but I haven't met them... instead most of my cases I've seen, have women pretend long enough to want the one-night stand, but sometime during the experience the upselling to a full on relationship becomes clear eventually. Without going into a full blown story, there's usually an angle that involves opening up our lives because she wants to quickly establish and lockdown a relationship... "ready to settle.... right NOW" types.... It was easier in my twenties and thirties, but it's not like I can get with that age group alone in my 50s; and I'm not "the most interesting person in the world" type to pull that off anymore.

Bang4thebuck said: Hmm I find for a lot of men it would do the opposite. Seeing SP's can be bad for your confidence and self esteem as they are paid to be nice to you and talk to you. Kind of like how guys think the waitress is flirting with them when all she wants is a tip. Everyone starts somewhere but I think it's best to enter into this world with a good sense of self first. Society will tell you that by seeing SP's you are likely an ugly loser who has no success with women and who puts women on a pedestal; that you would not get laid without having to pay for it. There's a certain stigma and shame that comes with the territory that a guy would feel when he gets the royal treatment from quality SP's but then goes home alone where he keeps swiping on Tinder only to get turned down by even the grossest women. This eats away at you until you believe you are a worthless loser. I would say the best thing a man can do in this position is to be the best version of himself day after day and get out there and build his confidence with women, in his career or business, at the gym, whatever it takes. There will be a lot of losses and some wins but that's what it takes to build, it's not easy but nothing worthwhile is easy. When that confidence translates into life successes, you realize attractive women are a dime a dozen and a confident successful man is far more rare. A woman's opinion of you won't shake you and you stop putting them on a pedestal because you know your worth. Women from a young age know how to use their charm to manipulate men and they can see a sucker from a mile away. Once you rely on women for validation you're setting yourself up for failure. These girls will say anything to make you feel like king of the castle but then inside can't wait for the session to be over so they can get back to going on their phone, talking to guys they actually want to date, or planning for their next client. Click to expand... " Society".. Thank pretty much sums it up. Society is the problem here! do not comply and resist at all costs

apple9927 said: Korea Japan are two countries that in 100 years will have less than half it's population and it's irreversible the decline once it starts. The poorest could on earth however can't stop making babies on the other hand. Click to expand... Whos got the fucking energy for kids after that kind of work schedule?

UAL1234 said: " Society".. Thank pretty much sums it up. Society is the problem here! do not comply and resist at all costs Click to expand... 'L'enfer c'est l'autre' or 'Hell is other people'

Bang4thebuck said: Now, I have a high income and excess cash but no free time. Don't give two shits about the chase or playing games. I just want a discreet hottie who knows how to screw for 30 mins, or an hour, and then I'm out. If I feel like pumping a 25 year old redhead with a tiny rack, or a chubby 45 year old blonde with a big fat butt and DD's, I can find them and book them within minutes. Click to expand... You can make more money to compensate for any unsatisfying sessions with escorts. You can never recoup time wasted on women who play games and lead you on but never put out. Wasting night after night on dinners or whatever vs a 5 minute phone call to an beautiful woman who is happy to accommodate me...

MlleVennes said: Your post made me realize this forum auto-links Ashley Madison when we type SB Kind of wild after their previous data leak scandals, no? Click to expand... Well, I'm sure it won't happen again [:D] But if you are looking for SB girls, PM me, I have a 2-3 leads if you want. My trip to Vancouver next week fell through so... [:(]

I am at the point in my life where I DO NOT have time or patience to play tinder game or go to bar to find a hook up. I would rater pay someone to have a play date. Discreet, fast, get in & get out.

I haven't seen an SP in over a year. I've been trying to make it in the world with dating apps. Dating sucks. I have to pay a $60/month subscription just to get matches, and when I do get matches, some of them unmatch immediately (they swiped by mistake), some just never reply to my message, the rest have to endure the "getting to know you" conversational hellscape, and then on the rare times I do hit it off with someone enough to actually get a date, the date has almost always sucked. To get laid once I might have to invest weeks or even months of time into the app, and none of the hookups I've had have ever come anywhere close to the experiences I've had with SPs anyways. Thinking of how girls like Mia Kane and Misha Milenkovic have left me daydreaming of them years later, while none of my "civilian" hookups have been worth remembering at all, except for a string of absolutely horrible experiences. 🤷‍♂️